Conversation #2: The Decline of the West

The Decline of the West

I conceived of this Conversation in order to provide a forum to elucidate the many contradictions that are inherent in the system of Western liberal democracy. There are so many disconnects between what the West says it believes in and in how it actually acts, and the divide between the two is so large in many of the instances, that it seems to me that the characterization of the phenomenon merely as hypocrisy is no longer adequate and does not serve. But that is a story for another Conversation…. Here you will find a more conventional general pathology, with some exquisite detail. The panel consists of Mike Gravel, William Engdahl, and Darnell Summers, who are joined later by Michael Jones.

Mike starts by talking about the Patriot Act, and how it came to be written over a number of years by the Neocons and why it passed through Congress so quickly and easily (in a matter of 24 hours after 9/11), thanks to the climate of fear (of being charged with being unpatriotic) that existed in the wake of 9/11. William adds that this event was a total surrender of the Bill of Rights and the fundamental guarantees of the US Constitution without any public debate whatever; MG, WE and AD agree that 9/11 was planned by the Neocons as their “New Pearl Harbor” as espoused in the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) white paper and website.

Mike regrets and laments the loss of the lives of 500,000 Iraqi children. In a bitterly sardonic remark, I state that “but it was worth it” (quoting Madame Secretary Madeline Albright). Mike moves the conversation on to the use of drones as instruments of legal extra-judicial murder, as one example of how the Patriot Act has changed everything, and uses the case of Sami al-Ariyon to illustrate his point. The case of Awlaki remains unstated, but is implicit in the discussion of murder by drone. Mike also wants to let the audience know that the sanctions cannot be done away with by executive order as they are enacted into law. Darnell adds thatextra-judicial governmental executions are not a new thing; “they would just round people up”, he states, adding that “they have been committing these crimes since the very inception of the US government.”

William talks about the agenda of the Military-Industrial Complex, the Wall Street “Gods of Money” (the six major financial houses) and the Neocons is “Full-Spectrum Dominance” and Michael Ledeen’s “Universal Fascism” and the making of the US into the New Sparta, whose primary aim is to make war. He goes on to touch on various topics, including eugenics and population reduction, Monsanto Round-up herbicide, the FDA/ Monsanto executives’ ‘revolving door’, Rockefeller support for eugenics as far back as 1926- 1939, and the roles of the Bill Gates foundation, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, and George Soros.

Darnell and Mike then talk about US Army desertion and suicide as reactions to the cognitive dissonance that they feel deep inside. Mike states that private interests control the US economy and government, and talks about the existence of secret prisons, “extra-ordinary rendition” (i.e. kidnapping) and torture, and the fact that “this is US policy”. William states that economic control of the nation was “hijacked” by
The Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which was a “coup d’état of the financial houses of JP Morgan, the Rockefellers, the Schiff and the Rothschilds, which allowed the House of Morgan to finance WWI in England and France. He goes on to posit 1914 and 1945 as a global battle to determine who should succeed British empire.

Mike cites a study in which it is claimed that a group of 1,300 corporations owns 60% of the wealth of the world, and concluded that “there is a new world order, and it is a corporate world order, and that corporate world order controls all the governments in the world” [except Iran’s,and a few others] which is why Iran is in the cross-hairs of the World Government.
Michael Jones joins the conversation, giving a history of British Liberalism and tying it in with lassez-faire economics and Adam Smith’s “Invisible Hand”. He goes on to describe the Scottish Enlightenment as a “suppression of the moral order”, and having made the connection between the economic and moral order, concludes: “What I think is the genius of your system of Waliyic Islam is that you understand that you need an archon. The ultimate fiction of classic liberalism is that the world is a self-regulating machine”. Michael characterizes the Irish Potato Famine of 1846 as the beginning of the end of classical liberalism, because this event obviated the fact that Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand project (1776 – 1848) did not work. The benefit of the doubt given to it ran out in 1846, followed by the Crash of 1847 and the Revolutions of 1848.

Michael continues: “Capitalism begins with theft. Karl Marx stated that capitalism is theft. It began with the theft of Church property, and after that, it continues with the systematic theft of human labor… Chattel slavery (its crudest form) is less effective than wage slavery.” Alas, all was not lost for capitalism, however. Marxism was a shot in the arm for capitalism: “The best thing to happen to capitalism was Karl Marx” because it was “a cure that is worse than the disease.” The general populace clung onto capitalism because they preferred it to the destruction of the family, the expropriation of their property by the state, the abolition of religion, etc. After the interregnum of 1848 – 1989 and the fall of the Berlin Wall, capitalism “comes roaring back with the Neocons”, who, it is not often realized, were “ferocious” proponents of capitalism, in addition to their insane foreign policy advocacy.

So where are we at now with Western liberal democracy? Mike Gravel says that liberal democracy is a failed model because it transfers power in the name of the people to the elites of society, so it is not a democracy, but representative government, which is actually plutocratic. William says and Darnell agrees that the structure of debt has reached breaking point, and it will either take the world down with it into a global form of fascism, or, we will somehow learn to live with each other with brotherly love and respect for each other. Michael Jones concludes that democracy is unsustainable as it ends in plutocracy; that capitalism is unsustainable as it ended up in unrepayable debt; and that both of these are the result of the unsuccessful experiment of the separation of church and state which has its roots in the Peace of Westphalia and the Enlightenment.

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